On-line old engraving books

[Steve Lindsay]

Google has scanned thousands of out of print books that can be viewed and searched. :hurray: I was looking through them last night and found some interesting ones.

That old "Art of Engraving" book that was printed before the Meeks book. (printing date 1904) is on-line. My great grandfather (My father's, mother's father) was a watchmaker/engraver and I attained a hand-me-down copy along with some other interesting books. He had written inside the front cover "Weaver Watch Co., Jewelers & Optometrist, Harvard, Nebraska, Kodaks & Supplies". This one is the 3rd edition. Google has both the 2nd and 3rd edition. The only difference I can tell is the 3rd edition has six more pages.

2nd edition The Art of Engraving (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC07319596&id=IvcrL1b05z0C&pg=PA1)
3rd edition The Art of Engraving (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC04019538&id=M6QNAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA1)

If you have some time, try searching on google books and see if more can be found. Here are a few more... some better than others.

A Guide to the Principal Gold and Silver Coins (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN01001641&id=Dn5c9X3HZG8C&printsec=titlepage&dq=)

Drawing and Engraving: A Brief Exposition of Technical Principles and Practice (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03267478&id=mQW4TAhJrBkC&printsec=toc&dq=)

The Best Portraits in Engraving (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03509542&id=_kWK7IupL_IC&pg=PP1&lpg=PA27)

The Building of a Book: A Series of Practical Articles (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01451697&id=D3F-7E08cdgC&pg=PA221&lpg=PA221)

The complete guide to the fine arts (http://books.google.com/books?vid=0EdUQe_ueTsQgfJB&id=wryj-qZARZoC&pg=PA145&lpg=PA145&dq=)

The Wonders of Engraving (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC01472667&id=H14ZyuUSwjwC&printsec=toc&dq=)

Winston's Cumulative Loose-leaf Encyclopedia: A Comprehensive Reference Book (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN23016692&id=2c97XPPyJq4C&pg=PT195&lpg=PT195&dq)


Steve

[Ray Cover]

Steve,

You need to make this a sticky as a resource to forum users.. This is pretty cool.

Ray

[jdveritas]

Very Cool, thanks again steve

[jdveritas]

have not yet tried to do the inside ring work, but am set up for it.. .... am happy to see this text covers that and other chores, and not too surprised to see that the author believed my fixture to be of little use.... :) We shall see. Also what do you think about the complete guide to the fine arts?..... what a great little read, it appears I am guilty of cutting steel with what was at least originally designed to cut wood. Tint ... really cool book.

anybody know anything about turkey stones?:)

[Steve Lindsay]

Hey, Check this book out (http://books.google.com/books?vid=0CXJeun8YifDvQHH&id=xcKTMWeD0pIC&pg=PR10). It is a how-to book on making desserts. Yummy...

but towards the end starting on page 255 (http://books.google.com/books?id=xcKTMWeD0pIC&vid=0CXJeun8YifDvQHH&jtp=255)is a section on engraving.

This book is about two of my favorite things.. desserts and engraving :lol:

The title of the book is
The Italian confectioner; or, Complete economy of desserts (http://books.google.com/books?vid=0CXJeun8YifDvQHH&id=xcKTMWeD0pIC&printsec=titlepage)

To page through these books quickly, just click on a page and it will go to the next page.

[jdveritas]

crazy...., not only crazy but a great lesson for the young toolmaker

[Steve Lindsay]

Here is another. 1894 date... This one touches on all types of hand metal working.

Elementary Metal Work: A Practical Manual for Amateurs and for Use in Schools
Title page (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN75314147&id=ea9V0bzIFuYC&printsec=titlepage&dq=)
Contents 1 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN75314147&id=ea9V0bzIFuYC&pg=PR13)
Contents 2 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN75314147&id=ea9V0bzIFuYC&pg=PR14)
Contents 3 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN75314147&id=ea9V0bzIFuYC&pg=PR15)
Contents 4 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN75314147&id=ea9V0bzIFuYC&pg=PR16)

[Steve Lindsay]

Intaglio engravings, past and present, 1896 date
Title page (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN01014527&id=V9EuxnIGic8C&printsec=titlepage)
contents (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN01014527&id=V9EuxnIGic8C&printsec=toc)
images (http://books.google.com/books?vid=LCCN01014527&id=V9EuxnIGic8C&pg=PA39&dq=)

[Steve Lindsay]

German Book-plates: An Illustrated Handbook of German & Austrian Exlibris
Contents 1 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&printsec=toc)
Contents 2 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PR10)
Contents 3 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PR11)
Contents 4 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PR12)

Interesting scroll drawing ideas on some of the plates.
page 61 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA61&dq=)
page 68 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA68&dq=)
page 110 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA110)
page 120 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA120)
page 136 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA136)
page 139 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA139)
page 150 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA150)
page 156 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA156)
page 157 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA157)
page 164 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA164)
page 227 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC14810829&id=XpQbbPvNKA0C&pg=PA227)

[michael_e]

Dover's got a huge collection of paperbacks that are collections of old pencil drawings showing all sorts of ornament. I think that many of them were copied from wood carvings as well as old engravings in wood and metal. My favorite is "Florid Victorian Ornament" by Karl Klimsch. here's a link to that specific title:
http://store.doverpublications.com/0486234908.html
If you type in "ornament" in Dover's search window you'll get a huge selection of different types of historical ornamentation. Don't stop there though, they've got some good, inexpensive reference books in their art section on anatomy. Just a great pictorial resource.


Michael E.

[Andrew Biggs]

Hi Steve

I seem to be missing something here. When I click your links all I'm getting is a google page with more links on it that generally lead to another bookstore with no pictures, text or anything.

Is there something else I should be doing?

It certainley looks like an interesting resource centre.

Cheers
Andrew Biggs

[Steve Lindsay]

Hi Andrew, I don't know. They are working for me. Anyone else having problems seeing the book pages from the links? It might be that we need to have an acrobat pdf plug-in installed in our browser to view these. I don't know..??

[ChrisB]

Hi Steve,
Yes I experience the same Problems as Andrew Does, It sends me to Google and then many other pages. Help!!

Stay Sharp,
ChrisB.
Ps. Thanks for adding the Motif "G' Video. :D

[Steve Lindsay]

What version of Adobe Acrobat Reader do you have installed? I don't know if this could be the problem but here is the latest version (http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html).

[Steve Lindsay]

American College Bookplates: A Presentation of Plates, Old and New
Contents (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03859350&id=EyVd08fnrpoC&printsec=toc)
page 155 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03859350&id=EyVd08fnrpoC&pg=PA155)
page 164 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03859350&id=EyVd08fnrpoC&pg=PA164)
page 243 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03859350&id=EyVd08fnrpoC&pg=PA243)
page 321 (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC03859350&id=EyVd08fnrpoC&pg=PA321)


Bookplates: A Catalogue of a Selection Containing Some Extremely Rare Items, Such as a Plate...
Title page (http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC09512208&id=h0zDOzn1iOEC&printsec=titlepage)

[PS_Bond]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the vast majority of the titles under Google Books can't be viewed from non-US IP addresses. They themselves say they are "conservative" in their interpretation of copyright laws around the world.

http://books.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=43737&query=US&topic=&type=

[MJ Hofbauer]

One nice feature on Google Books is being able to download the and store the pdf's yourself. If PS_Bond is correct about the non-US browsers, then perhaps getting a US friend to dl and send you the pdf's would be an effective work-around. Mind you, its up to you and your friend to find out the applicable laws pertaining to this transaction ;) Just a thought.

As Steve has somewhat shown, when searching for Engraving books, try looking for other semi-related topics. You would be surprised what and where you can find great sources of information.

Another area to search is your local public library network, generally you need an account, but those are easily attained. In my home state, PA, the public network is so massive, I haven't even begun to scratch the surface. I can tell you though, theres a section that has nearly every periodical/magazine from the past 30 years I could think of. Including woodworking and metalworking titles. And all this accessible at home and printable.

-MJ

[vilts]

Hey all,

This is my first post. Hope it's useful ;)

To all of you who can't see books from Google because they're not in US. There's a nice workaround - use a proxy server.

I used this one and it worked great:
http://www.unblockwebsense.com/
Be sure to select "remove cookies", because cookies might save some info from your previous browsing sessions.

List of other available proxies:
http://proxy.org/cgi_proxies.shtml. I believe the green ones are those which can be used directly from browser (you just go to that URL and enter the URL which you want to see via that proxy), others need to be set in you browser preferences.

Edit: Nope, they all seem to be web-based proxies, so choose whichever you want.

It's all that simple.

Best regards,
Viljo

[Steve Lindsay]

Hi Viljo, Thank you, this is VERY helpful! Thanks for joining the forum! Steve

[Elise]

[B]Hey, this is my first post

Book found on googlebooks

Guide For Drawing The Acanthus
By J. Page

I did try to place a link here, but i have a NON-US IP adress it wont work i have a link thru a proxy.org to see the full view that works for me but i can't copy this, non us-ip adresses must search with a proxy (see post from Vilts) US IP adresses search the above title in googlebooks.

I hope you like the book like i did,

Regards Elise

[Unkl Ian]

I've got the same problem as Andrew,also a non-US resident.

Will try the proxy server.

[Unkl Ian]

Proxy server works great.:whoo:

Now I'll have some serious reading to do.:hurray: :hurray: :hurray:

[ArtisticAttributes]

Steve,
I have to share a funny with you, I picked up a copy of the Art of Engraving on Ebay thinking it was you or a family member had written it, cause it had Lindsay Publications Inc. on it. It is the Second Edition Paperback. If you ever have the need for a hard-copy give me a shout and I'll share. Consequently I hope to make an order for airgraver in a month or so. Hopefully you will have your sharpener by then. Thanks for such an Awesome forum.

[Steve Lindsay]

[B]Hey, this is my first post

Book found on googlebooks

Guide For Drawing The Acanthus
By J. Page

I did try to place a link here, but i have a NON-US IP adress it wont work i have a link thru a proxy.org to see the full view that works for me but i can't copy this, non us-ip adresses must search with a proxy (see post from Vilts) US IP adresses search the above title in googlebooks.

I hope you like the book like i did,

Regards Elise

Hi Elise, Good Find!! :hurray:
Here is a link. (http://books.google.com/books?id=MhJAAAAAIAAJ&dq=Guide+For+Drawing+The+Acanthus&as_brr=1)

For the non us-ip address people, I would interested to know if this second link will work. See if you can click here and download the pdf (http://books.google.com/books/pdf/Guide_for_Drawing_the_Acanthus__and_Ever.pdf?id=Mh JAAAAAIAAJ&output=pdf&sig=L9OqK4k_1blUW3vHFn2ngbJmfc8)of the book. This is a direct link to the pdf file on google.

[Steve Lindsay]

Steve,
I have to share a funny with you, I picked up a copy of the Art of Engraving on Ebay thinking it was you or a family member had written it, cause it had Lindsay Publications Inc. on it. It is the Second Edition Paperback. If you ever have the need for a hard-copy give me a shout and I'll share. Consequently I hope to make an order for airgraver in a month or so. Hopefully you will have your sharpener by then. Thanks for such an Awesome forum.
That is funny. Did you see the page on the website there
titled "News From Lindsay's Secret Laboratory" (http://www.lindsaybks.com/lab/index.html)? :laughing:

[Steve Lindsay]

Elise, I download and have looked more through the book Guide For Drawing The Acanthus. Boy, this is a very good find! Great drawings, plus it teaches you how to draw these leaves. :whoo:

Steve

[Peter]

I was able to view it, but downloading it I was unable to open it.

It did look like a very good tutorial which I would like to have a copy of.

I also tried going into "properties" on the pdf file and unblocking security, but still encountered an error that could not be repaired?

Peter

[Unkl Ian]

Some Proxy Servers limit down loads to 10 Meg or less,
which isn't a problem until you find a book over 10M.

This one will let you download over 10M,no idea if they have a higher limit:
http://www.bypassinternetfilters.com/

[Unkl Ian]

I was able to view it, but downloading it I was unable to open it.

It did look like a very good tutorial which I would like to have a copy of.

I also tried going into "properties" on the pdf file and unblocking security, but still encountered an error that could not be repaired?

Peter


The first few pages are blank,which might be confusing.

I was able to download,and view it successfully.

[Don Cowles]

Steve, I used your link and had no trouble downloading it.
Good stuff!

[Unkl Ian]

That is funny. Did you see the page on the website there
titled "News From Lindsay's Secret Laboratory" (http://www.lindsaybks.com/lab/index.html)? :laughing:


More fun:
http://www.lindsaybks.com/trau/index.html

[Steve Lindsay]

Okay.. Try downloading the Acanthus drawing book from here. (http://www.engravingschool.com/Drawing_Acanthus.pdf)
It is a 7 meg file. You can left click on it and it will load in acrobat reader, but it will load very slow because of the size of the file. It may be better to right click on the link and select "save link as" to save the file to your hard disk. After it finishes downloading, find the file on your harddisk and double click it to have it open in acrobat reader.

[Peter]

I tried downloading the file again and just as before, when I try to open it I encounter an error? I have Acrobat Reader 4.0 which works fine with several other documents I have as well as other PDF files on the internet?

Is anyone else experiencing this issue? The error implies there is information not understood by the reader.

Thanks,
Peter

[Unkl Ian]

I think Acrobat is up to 7 or 8 by now.
We have 7.

If the documents were created with the latest software,
the old version may not work.

[Peter]

Thanks Unkl Ian. I went to the Adobe website and downloaded Acrobat Reader 8.1.1 which is the current version. I then was able to successfully download the document and view it.

Peter

[Unkl Ian]

Wow,i got lucky on that one. :smilielol5:

Actually,I've seen a pop-up when I try to view some stuff:
"May contain newer features that will not display correctly...."
but it generally works.

When you said 4.0,I figured you were pushing the limits.

Forgot about it being free to update.
Free is good.

[Andrew Biggs]

Hi Steve & Elise

That's a real treasure you've found there Elise, thanks for sharing with us. Thanks very much for the book download as well Steve. That ones well worth taking to the copy guy and getting photocopied and bound.

A great little book to have in the collection. It's funny reading the text in those old books. I wonder if people actually spoke like that?

Cheers
Andrew

[SEngraver]

Hello Steve,
I am unable to read or view any of the books on line heeellllppppp!
I feel life is passing by
Mohd:banghead: :help: :help:

[Steve Lindsay]

Hi Mohd, It is because you are on a non usa server and google doesn't like that. Read about the problem on the 2nd page of this thread. There are some fixes for it by using a proxy server. http://www.handengravingforum.com/showthread.php?t=258&page=2

Steve

[bobkeyes]

Hello all. My name is Bob Keyes. I have spent 40 years of my life as an engineer specializing in robotic machine design and fabrication. I have dealt with metal fabrication in all aspects except engraving. Now that I am retired I am going to try to gain some knowledge on that subject. Looks like this is the place to learn.

I live in southern Kentucky and cast precious metals, make pens, and other metal objects. This is exciting to me. Right now I'm just trying to learn to sharpen a graver. Maybe I'll master that soon.

Thanks to all who keep this forum alive and well.:thankyou[1]:

[Steve Lindsay]

Hello all. My name is Bob Keyes. I have spent 40 years of my life as an engineer specializing in robotic machine design and fabrication. I have dealt with metal fabrication in all aspects except engraving. Now that I am retired I am going to try to gain some knowledge on that subject. Looks like this is the place to learn.

I live in southern Kentucky and cast precious metals, make pens, and other metal objects. This is exciting to me. Right now I'm just trying to learn to sharpen a graver. Maybe I'll master that soon.

Thanks to all who keep this forum alive and well.:thankyou[1]:
Hi Bob :yo[1]: You will find lots good people with a fun engraving addiction helping each other here on the forum. :welcome[1]:

[jaguarte]

Hi, Mr. Steve I am lerning to use my airgraver and i´m making some names on lighters and jewelry for some costumers and they are happy that I grave their names with precision on their items, but I need some info for make better designs, thank you for the links, I´ll check it out

[scotlandforever]

Hi, glad I found this site. Seems to have access to loads of information and guys with loads of experience. Some of the workmanship is mind blowing. I have a question "is the Lindsey air engraver worth getting by an absolute beginner"? Can I buy it direct in the UK or do I have to buy from the USA. What do I need to get started?

Steve B

[Daniel Houwer]

Hi Steve B,
You will have to order from Steve L (lol) directly. But I can asure you, he has the best customer service I ever encountered :whoo[1]:
If budget is no problem, order one of the sets.

Foot Control Classic engraving set with sharpener
Set Includes:
Classic handpiece
Dual regulators
Tungsten Dead blow piston
CarbaltXD graver blanks 5 pack
M42 graver blanks 5 pack
Lindsay Sharpener set with basic templates, Includes: The 4 diamond bench stones (260, 600, 1200, 2000), plus 4 templates: Universal, Detailing, 105, and Flat & Knife Combo
$1,788
$1,788



PalmControl Classic engraving set with sharpener
Set Includes:
PalmControl Classic handpiece with Burl handle
Tungsten Dead blow piston
Co2 regulator with 20oz and 25g Adapters
Regulator & fittings for attaching PalmControl to an air compressor
CarbaltXD graver blanks 5 pack
M42 graver blanks 5 pack
Lindsay Sharpener set with basic templates, Includes: The 4 diamond bench stones (260, 600, 1200, 2000), plus 4 templates: Universal, Detailing, 105, and Flat & Knife Combo
$3,693
$3,693



Or just check this page out. http://airgraver.com/Hand_Engraving_Tools_Overview.htm
No problem if you are a beginner. You will be engraving in no time :yo[1]:

[celtcraft]

Hello all,

I'm new to the forum and this is my first post. My wife is a website designer/developer and she gave me some incite to this problem. This problem is two fold. 1. Google has a list of all of the webhosting server IP's that run tunnelers,IP hiders and proxy's and they block them. Thanks for the links Vilts that will help most of the users here, but not all of us. 2. These links only help if you are in an "Google approved country". That being said, it is a pain in the butt for those of us that are not. Steve L. thanks for the server link for the (drawing the acanthus book) I know what a pain it is to upload to the server and not have it get corrupted or have the site go completely haywire. I used the link with no problems. My suggestion is this. Those members that have it downloaded be willing to e-mail them to those that cant get it. I have family in the states that cant figure it out to send to me. The other option is to plead with Steve L. to upload the others to the server, I for one will be forever in your debt if you do, as I am sure the rest will. I am a security consultant working in Costa Rica, I have a San Jose IP address and get blocked all of the time on Google .com. Also we have customs people who cant tell a submarine propeller from a ball vise. I have had $3000 in tools get confiscated at customs thus far. I will be here on contract for 14 months more and will be going back to the NW in BC.:whoo[1]: Then I can re order tools and get started. For now I'm just trying to get proficient at designing a good looking scroll and leaf, so all these books are worth their weight in gold to me.

Thanks all.

[gunsports]

Also new to the forum and very new to engraving. I am a gunsmith and build (specialize) in recreating historic firearms - which need to be engraved and which I know nothing about. So, I say to myself: How difficult can it be? Guess I found out. I now have commissions for building American long rifles for clients in the US and patch boxes need engraving. (I'm ok with wood carving.)

I've also tried to download these books from Google but have had no success. Is there perhaps a member of this forum who is willing to download, burn to a DVD and post this to those members who are prevented from down loading. Obviously, costs will be reimbursed.

(BTW, I am in South Africa.)

[Lu Heringer]

Loved it! Thanks! :thumb[1]:

[Hybridfiat]

Steve I cant find any of these books on Google. I can only get the links to ABE and Amazon via Google and they are paper copys and can be expensive.
I have a Google account.

[Steve Lindsay]

I think google has the scanned books set up so that only USA internet connections (ip addresses) can see them. I remember earlier in this thread that someone had this figured out of why some could see them and others couldn't. I just tried a few of the links in the first post of this thread and they are still working for me.

PS.. Daniel, I just saw your post above. Thanks for replying to Steve B. I missed that post and some of the others since then.

[Steinar Fosback]

You can view these books if you're outside of the states. How you do this is to view google books through a proxy server. This server fools google to think you're from the states. :biggrin[1]:

To find one reliable proxy has so far been hopeless to me. However, by trying random proxy's at http://proxy.org/ you will get lucky 1 out of 5 or so. :) Its annoying having to do this, but I usually just download the PDF right away so I wont have to use it too often. :)

[pat]

Hi Ray,We have never met but Steve L.and I were talking last week and your name came up.I am in a wheelchair and Steve happened to mention something about you being able to furnish a work bench for me.Oh yes!,I'm also a lefty.If this be so,could you tell me how long it would take and how much it would cost?Thank you for your time,,,Pat

[simoniculus]

thank you

[airamp]

Hi,

Thanks Steve for referring to my post for beginners but dummys???lol

Well maybe so...:smilielol5[1]:

Just checked it out again and it now has over 18,800 hits in two years...

Just wanted to thank you and others on this site for all the great information and continued support of this art form.

I am just surprised at the popularity of that thread...It really is nothing compared to all the real super engravers threads on this site.

Thanks again..
AirAmp

[bram ramon]

I Recently found this book about drawing ornaments! It's a really great book, the download is quit slow at least for me is quit slow but it worthwhile!! Here's the link;http://archive.org/details/handbookoforname00meyeuoft

enjoy!

[mrthe]

Hey Bram thank you very much this is a great book!

[diandwill]

I have downloaded most of those books in pdf, and then as a lark, went to Alibris online books. Many are available, as reprints in a softcover format, for as low as $15 USD. There is a company in New Jersey that is doing the printing, probably of off the same downloads as listed, but they come bound!

[Fred Marrinan]

Bram, Thanks for the link! It took about 1 min 20 sec to load to my Kindle. Thanks again- Fred

[Sorin Renato]

Calligraphy books...
http://www.iampeth.com/books.php

[Weshdim]

For all those who can't access the books, go to this website;

http://archive.org/

... and search the title. Happy reading!

[SEngraver]

Hi Bram, & Sorin,

Thank you the links.
SE:yo[1]:

[Oran]

Wow, what a great find of old books. The implementation of engraving for printmaking in the fine arts is where I am very interested. Finding stuff like this makes me wish there were 29 hours in a day. Thank you.

[papart1]

:hurray[1]: Thanks Steve.............very informative and inspiring.