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Old 01-24-2016, 11:12 AM
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Okay so I make custom knives, yes one of ten thousand others. I am forging and grinding 1095, 1084, 52100 and W2 steels and I clay temper all my knives. The backs and tangs should be about 50 rhc. A guess only. easy to file. So for a border design and floral design what graver material and what point styles would you masters suggest. I don't mind working out the kinks but don't want to reinvent the wheel.

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Old 01-25-2016, 12:28 AM
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Hi Preachin Pilot

M42 or carbalt gravers are good and will take care of that V-116 template for all outline cutting and re-cutting V96 template for all shading then you can temper the knife,can you tell us more about "clay temper" and how it is done please ?
There is also the Ronald Baptiste inlay
template if you want to do gold inlay and stippling template for background grey or black.Also does good bulino dots.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:08 AM
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Okay . Before final grinding and tempering the blade spine is covered with clay in a pattern approximately 1/2 way down blade , leaving the edge bare. The blade is quenched in oil and the clay keeps the covered portion from hardening. Then the blade is tempered 400-500 degrees depending on metal. The backs are fileable so I believe they are 50ish RHC.
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Old 01-26-2016, 08:43 PM
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Hello I am no expert but you will save alot of headaches if you do your engraving when the knife is annealed it will cut nice and less headaches all around I assume that you do all your grinding win its annealed it sure saves time that way. When I started making knives I didn't anneal anything but I sure do now
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Old 01-27-2016, 12:15 AM
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Okay . Before final grinding and tempering the blade spine is covered with clay in a pattern approximately 1/2 way down blade , leaving the edge bare. The blade is quenched in oil and the clay keeps the covered portion from hardening. Then the blade is tempered 400-500 degrees depending on metal. The backs are fileable so I believe they are 50ish RHC.
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Thank you Preaching Pilot.That is interesting .You use any clay or is there a special type ?
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Old 03-25-2016, 11:25 PM
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Thanks all! I use satanite which is foundry refractory. I anneal my blades or temper them in an oven to apprx 55-59 rh. I still need lots of practice before I post any pics but will try to post a pic of a knife with the clay tempered blade or "hamon".
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Old 03-26-2016, 06:56 PM
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Engrave before heat treating.
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Old 04-14-2016, 04:36 PM
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OUCH!!! I am tempering and or heat treating my knives the old fashioned way I guess. I always have scale after the hardening and have been media blasting the blade before tempering. Cant hurt to cut some metal and see how it works out. I am presuming that most engraved knives are heat treated in a kiln and are wrapped in stainless sheet. Presuming.
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Thanks all! I use satanite which is foundry refractory. I anneal my blades or temper them in an oven to apprx 55-59 rh. I still need lots of practice before I post any pics but will try to post a pic of a knife with the clay tempered blade or "hamon".
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Thanks for the info on satanite Preachinpilot.
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:04 PM
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Okay so here is the skinny. Finish the knife to 400 grit or more, engrave, then heat treat in a kiln. Yep got it, Wrapped in stainless foil the steel stays clean. For stainless or a2 anyway. Still working it.
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