Engraving Forum.com - The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community

The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community
Discuss hand engraving using basic to the most advanced methods and equipment
Forum Members: 13,456. Welcome to our newest member, Felmarq
EngravingForum.com - Domain since Feb 7, 2003

Graver Video Conferencing is empty Join now!


Go Back   Engraving Forum.com - The Internet's Largest and Fastest Growing Engraving Community > Forums > Gallery and Show & Tell - Hand Engraving Forum
ENGRAVING TOOLS - Paypal accepted Classes Glossary Feedback Tips Sharpening Bulino Videos Forum Policies

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 01-07-2008, 12:51 AM
Barry Lee Hands's Avatar
Barry Lee Hands Barry Lee Hands is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bigfork, Montana
Posts: 1,398
Default Engraving styles and pics.

A friend asked me to do a post on basic engraving styles and sample pics. Some of it you have seen before on other threads. Here it is.

There are as many names for differing varieties of scroll as there are engravers and engraving collectors, but I will do what I can to share some of the knowledge I have gleaned from others through thirty odd years of studying ornament and its history to put names that I would use on the styles in the following photos..If you have other names or descriptions for these, please share them. . . .

Acanthus on a Manton circa 1819:


Acanthus by Harry Kell:



Acanthus with multi color gold inlay by Ken Hunt circa 1954, RH lockplate:
Acanthus with multi color gold inlay by Lynton S.M. MacKenzie circa 1970,LH lockplate:
Ken's work on the upper lockplate exhibits a celtic influence in the perforated ribbon incorporated in the scroll stem.


A negative of a smoke pull of Acanthus by Barry Lee Hands 2001:


Arabesque Damascene, actually made in Damascus, from the Madrassa of the Ali Hussien Mosque in Cairo, circa 1350:


Modern Japanese Damascene work:


Arabesque by Barry Lee Hands, contemporary:


Roman vine ornament from the early Christian era, probably chiseled by immigrant Greek craftsman. It bears a strong resemblance to modern Germanic and Arabesque ornament.


American vine scroll, Gustave Young school:


Germanic small scroll by Griebel, mid 1900’s:



Detail of Germanic scroll by Joseph Fugger, early 1960’s:


English scroll on a Kavanagh, some may call this large scroll in the context of English style.


Boss rose and scroll, or bouquet and scroll with running scroll border by Barry Lee Hands for a David Trevallion restoration:


I would call this an open vine scroll, it is an Acanthus variation. I would like to hear anyones opinions of the proper term and date for this style:


And this is more of the same, on a Westley Richards?


Acanthus with clamshell terminus and Celtic rope border:


Well worn Birmingham English scroll with open scroll elements, running scroll lockplate border and open vine with rose bud action border:


The same piece restored:


Work by Francesca Fracassi. The style is Fracassi, as developed by Firmo Fracassi. The tool used to execute it is a Bulino tool.


Detail:


Bulino work tiger by creative arts with chiseled and relieved laurel, or olive derived leafwork:



Etched and punched sculpted work by Barry lee Hands:


Multicolor Inlay by Barry Lee Hands 2008:
__________________
Barry Lee Hands
www.barryleehands.com
"Critics gather, they discuss aesthetics, Artists gather, they discuss turpentine. . ."- Pablo Picasso
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 01-07-2008, 04:52 AM
jlseymour's Avatar
jlseymour jlseymour is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mt. Dora FL
Posts: 1,569
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

WOW!!! Berry, thanks I needed that...
Jerry
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 01-07-2008, 05:06 AM
Tim Wells's Avatar
Tim Wells Tim Wells is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Dallas, Georgia
Posts: 1,038
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

I'd like to spend a few days up there going through your photo collection.
__________________
"If one needs a tool, and does not acquire it, they end up paying for it, but not having it." - Henry Ford
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 01-07-2008, 08:30 AM
Zernike Au's Avatar
Zernike Au Zernike Au is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 315
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thanks Barry, you are the best!

***Just my opinion, I may wrong, be open-mind and don't be offended!***
It is far much better than spending expensive money (when compared with other tutorial drawing books) to buy a book which showing most the drawing of the author, that book shows mostly one style (the author's style) to draw different style of scrolls. This may lead the readers to follow his style, not quite good in teaching and learning.....especially for those readers who don't have too much experience in art, design and drawing! I treat that book as the author's drawing album, excellent works! I like it! But not for my learning of different styles of scrolls. I prefer to see the original style, orignal engraving from original country.

Barry, your turorials, your photos, your efforts... all togehter is really the greatest engraving book in this world. No other commercial available book (except Meeks ‘The art of Engraving’ book) can compare with yours. I hope one day you will have your own great book available in the market. Sure I will buy it no matter how expensive it is, and sign it for me please!

Regarding the open vine scroll of a Purdey you mentioned, I saw another Purdey which is almost the same as yours. The book is "British Gun Engraving", recommended by Martin Strolz from Austria (also an excellent teacher). On page 19, it's caption is: A percussian Purdey, circa 1929, has barrels by Charles Lancaster, engraved by Peter Gumbrell.
I don't know if the book mentioned about the style becasue I just spend my time in "smelling" all the excellent photos, I don't have time to read the text!!!

Hope this may help.

Thanks again for sharing.

Zernike
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 01-07-2008, 03:47 PM
Dave London's Avatar
Dave London Dave London is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Colorado Springs
Posts: 2,145
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thanks Barry
Excellent and informative
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 01-07-2008, 04:58 PM
mike koller mike koller is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Memphis, TN
Posts: 26
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

I agree, this awesome and much thanks to you for posting.


Quote:
Work by Francesca Fracassi. The style is Fracassi, as developed by Firmo Fracassi. The tool used to execute it is a Bulino tool.


I am off to find as much as possibly on this style, any help on finding printed and web information would be greatly appreciated.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 01-07-2008, 05:00 PM
Tom McArdle's Avatar
Tom McArdle Tom McArdle is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Western NY USA
Posts: 1,016
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thanks Barry for the great info and pics!

I'll add a bit.

here are a few pics of a "Bailey" double percussion set of lockplates I restored the engraving on a while back. I'm guessing they are from the mid 1800's. You see a lot of the open, no background scroll type of work on early colts, esp. the Patterson models. The Colt engraving was not like this though.










I was also very interested in the early vine caving you showed. The vine and leaf motif is becoming a favorite of mine. I've seen it on a Swiss Militia rifle from around 1830, on up through Colt handguns into the early 20th century.

Here is a version I did on a Winchester 1873, adapted from an original engraving found on an 1894 rifle.




Thanks for a great thread!

take care,

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 01-08-2008, 12:45 AM
rod rod is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 622
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Barry,

Thank you for this splendid and informative posting, and for your additions, Tom!

best

Rod
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 01-08-2008, 01:01 AM
Zernike Au's Avatar
Zernike Au Zernike Au is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 315
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

May I add...

Two different style found on the pocket watch that I restored, seldom see such style on gun or knife, maybe a European (English) style, I have no idea???


Some of the pattern are machine made, I always wonder how machine made pattern can combine with hand engraving in this kind of style.




This pattern is very small and rather deep..."anti-wear"....

Zernike
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 01-08-2008, 11:41 PM
Barry Lee Hands's Avatar
Barry Lee Hands Barry Lee Hands is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Bigfork, Montana
Posts: 1,398
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thanks for all the great comments.
Tom, I really like that period looking work you did there. Very appropriate.
Zernike, I really dont know a lot about watch engraving, I would like to know more. That strikes me as continental in style, but I am not sure. I would like to hear J.C.'s opinion on that piece.
__________________
Barry Lee Hands
www.barryleehands.com
"Critics gather, they discuss aesthetics, Artists gather, they discuss turpentine. . ."- Pablo Picasso
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 01-10-2008, 06:43 AM
Peter Peter is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 640
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thanks for taking the time to post some fine engraving and descriptions Barry.

Also, I love the pattern on that Winchester 1873 Tom.

Peter
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 01-10-2008, 10:28 AM
Tom McArdle's Avatar
Tom McArdle Tom McArdle is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Western NY USA
Posts: 1,016
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thanks Peter and Barry.

Tom
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 01-16-2008, 08:37 PM
ihsfab's Avatar
ihsfab ihsfab is offline
Gold
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Asbury, MO.
Posts: 148
Send a message via Skype™ to ihsfab
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Barry the one of Dan look great!:whoo:
__________________
Kulley Levaugh

Multiple Sclerosis BITES
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-20-2011, 01:49 AM
mondo mondo is offline
Steel
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: souther california
Posts: 24
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

i always see people get a Q-tip and put some kind of solution on the engraving and the background goes dark. What is that ?
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-20-2011, 10:14 AM
SEngraver SEngraver is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: UK.
Posts: 3,273
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Thank you Barry for the beautiful pictures.
It was a joy to see all of them.

SE
__________________
Learn from those who know more than you do and teach those who know less than you do. - I.M.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 09-22-2011, 10:32 AM
Roger Bleile's Avatar
Roger Bleile Roger Bleile is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 1,658
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mondo View Post
i always see people get a Q-tip and put some kind of solution on the engraving and the background goes dark. What is that ?
Most likely just some oil.
__________________
C. Roger Bleile
Author of: American Engravers series of books. FEGA Historian and Founding Charter Member
http://www.engravingglossary.com/
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 09-22-2011, 11:53 AM
Mcahron Mcahron is offline
Platinum
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 265
Default Re: Engraving styles and pics.

Awsome
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Conduct
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:25 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.